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Here's another meaningless but possibly interesting topic similar to the Wave-Size thread...

I watched the footage Charl posted of Mike Horn (AMAZING, btw), and in it, Mike hucks off a few falls and doesn't quite stick the entry. I don't want to take anything away from him (he stuck enough of them, IMO), but does your drop really count as successful, if you don't stay on the board?

Here's one reason why I pose the question... Watch this footage of the world-record ski huck:

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Personally, I don't think it should count. Granted, just jumping off something that huge is impressive in its own right, as is running some massive waterfall riding what amounts to a foam plank, but he didn't stick the landing. Should it count as the world record? And if not, then why should dropping waterfalls, unless you manage top stay on your board? I think there's more to a successful drop than simply having the cojones to try. Otherwise, I think we're on a slippery slope. Does it count if I lose my board entirely? Does it count if I have to be pulled unconscious from the water?

I freely admit that this applies to others (read: Charl) far more than it does me. I'm not gunning for any world records. But since this site is, or arguably will be, the premier forum for what we do in the water, maybe there's some value to letting the community decide what it will accept as a successful drop. Maybe not. I dunno. (It certainly won't ruin anything for me if there's no consensus.)

Thoughts?

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I also had a moment in New Hampshire where I ended up basically sliding down wet rock on my back and didn't finish the rapid squarely on my board (more like hanging on to it with one hand), so I promptly walked back up and cleaned it because that first run couldn't count as a first descent.

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See, that's style. Good on ya Kev.

Here's another climbing climbing story... this one's about a famous free soloist who, while climbing something that had never been climbed unroped before, found himself facing a particularly difficult and scary sequence of holds high about the ground. The consequences of blowing it were clearly death. If he slipped, there would be absolutely no reprieve. However, there was a loop of webbing nearby tied through a hole in the rock. He moved the loop so it lay around the hand hold he needed, but not touching it. Then, without actually using the webbing at all, he reached through the webbing, grabbed the hold and climbed into the sequence thinking, "If I fall, I can grab the webbing."

He finished the climb successfully, but felt so strongly that his "use" of the webbing loop tainted his ascent that he returned the next day and re-soloed the climb without it.

Stupid? Maybe. An uncompromising devotion to the purity of his craft? Definitely.

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"An uncompromising devotion to the purity of his craft? Definitely."

Yes.

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Bummer but choose different equipment. You can't win a car race if your tires fall off. :)

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I tend to think of running rivers like freestyle events. If you pull a trick but don't land it it doesn't count towards your score. Jus like if you're running a tough line, and get it wrong you haven't completed the run, whatever it may be. Just a thought.

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those tandem kayakers rolled upside-down after the record falls, but they both came up in the boat holding onto their paddles. I would have been more impressed if they didn't roll, but no one is saying it didn't count.

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I think that you definitely have to land something (holding on to your board upright) for it to count.

But really, if someone cares that much about having a "world record title" then they are probably a kook.

If you drop off a 30-40' waterfall and don't quite land it, who cares, you're still a badass.

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